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		<title>By: midlands-red</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jussi

I like the formation, though I don&#039;t share your view on Barry v/s Xabi - although, to be fair, it&#039;s only our financial position that&#039;s got Rafa having to sell one to get the other: they are not straight swaps!

Goalie - 4 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 would be a change from Rafa&#039;s preferred formation would it not? So I wonder whether Rafa will actually go with it. For sure Keane provides sufficient flexibility/variety for Rafa - as does Kuyt, Babel, Benayoun, Aberloa etc. - but his role is to find a perfect blend with Torres and Stevie G in my book and occasionally with Kuyt.

Keane offers that unpredicatability that we so lack - apart from Babel, in my view. Just hope his legs last the 3/4 years  so that we can make a few pounds back off him......hopefully after we&#039;ve ran United/Chelsea close for the league (if not won it).

Now to see what happens with Voronin and Pennant, I think, and then what Rafa does with the funds....winger or Barry? I suspect Barry........although doesn&#039;t he only have a year left on his contract? How can he be worth more than Crouch if that&#039;s the case???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jussi</p>
<p>I like the formation, though I don&#8217;t share your view on Barry v/s Xabi &#8211; although, to be fair, it&#8217;s only our financial position that&#8217;s got Rafa having to sell one to get the other: they are not straight swaps!</p>
<p>Goalie &#8211; 4 &#8211; 2 &#8211; 1 &#8211; 2 &#8211; 1 would be a change from Rafa&#8217;s preferred formation would it not? So I wonder whether Rafa will actually go with it. For sure Keane provides sufficient flexibility/variety for Rafa &#8211; as does Kuyt, Babel, Benayoun, Aberloa etc. &#8211; but his role is to find a perfect blend with Torres and Stevie G in my book and occasionally with Kuyt.</p>
<p>Keane offers that unpredicatability that we so lack &#8211; apart from Babel, in my view. Just hope his legs last the 3/4 years  so that we can make a few pounds back off him&#8230;&#8230;hopefully after we&#8217;ve ran United/Chelsea close for the league (if not won it).</p>
<p>Now to see what happens with Voronin and Pennant, I think, and then what Rafa does with the funds&#8230;.winger or Barry? I suspect Barry&#8230;&#8230;..although doesn&#8217;t he only have a year left on his contract? How can he be worth more than Crouch if that&#8217;s the case???</p>
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		<title>By: Jussi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jussi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great we signed Keane!
I think together with the prospect of Barry it&#039;s a clear sign we are going with 4-3-3 as the preferred formation. As it was so effective last season
First eleven could be:
                        Pepe 
DEF Finnan Carra Agger Dossena 
MID Mascherano, (Barry/Alonso)
                     Gerrard,
ATT Kuyt,                      Keane
                     Torres
For me Barry is better, actually MUCH better than Alonso. However Xabi is still a quality player,professional,  experienced and still young and it&#039;s a shame Rafa has to consider selling him to generate money to get Barry. With the investment we were promised( H&amp;G) we shouldn&#039;t even be thinking is it wise to sell Xabi and buy Barry...
I&#039;m suprised how many fans consider Alonso to be better than Barry. He&#039;s better with the short simple passes but what else?? 
Hansen, Smith &amp; Co are hoping for wide players, but
who is there good enough available? Who is there good enough for under 15m?
Maybe Rafa has realised that there is not many great wingers /side midfielders around or they are too expensive (silva,quaresma..) and deside to use the money other way, (keane+barry). After all we have kuyt,keane,babel,benayoun,pennant, voronin to compete for those two wide positions in a 4-3-3 formation-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great we signed Keane!<br />
I think together with the prospect of Barry it&#8217;s a clear sign we are going with 4-3-3 as the preferred formation. As it was so effective last season<br />
First eleven could be:<br />
                        Pepe<br />
DEF Finnan Carra Agger Dossena<br />
MID Mascherano, (Barry/Alonso)<br />
                     Gerrard,<br />
ATT Kuyt,                      Keane<br />
                     Torres<br />
For me Barry is better, actually MUCH better than Alonso. However Xabi is still a quality player,professional,  experienced and still young and it&#8217;s a shame Rafa has to consider selling him to generate money to get Barry. With the investment we were promised( H&amp;G) we shouldn&#8217;t even be thinking is it wise to sell Xabi and buy Barry&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m suprised how many fans consider Alonso to be better than Barry. He&#8217;s better with the short simple passes but what else??<br />
Hansen, Smith &amp; Co are hoping for wide players, but<br />
who is there good enough available? Who is there good enough for under 15m?<br />
Maybe Rafa has realised that there is not many great wingers /side midfielders around or they are too expensive (silva,quaresma..) and deside to use the money other way, (keane+barry). After all we have kuyt,keane,babel,benayoun,pennant, voronin to compete for those two wide positions in a 4-3-3 formation-</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@midlands, I could be wrong about this but I think most of Barry&#039;s goals in the Prem. last season were penalties. His assists record was very impressive though. 

I don&#039;t doubt that he can score goals, I&#039;m just not expecting him to be prolific or anything, just as long as he weighs in with his fair share (5 or 6 in the Prem?.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@midlands, I could be wrong about this but I think most of Barry&#8217;s goals in the Prem. last season were penalties. His assists record was very impressive though. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that he can score goals, I&#8217;m just not expecting him to be prolific or anything, just as long as he weighs in with his fair share (5 or 6 in the Prem?.).</p>
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		<title>By: midlands-red</title>
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		<dc:creator>midlands-red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bassam

Don&#039;t be concerned about where Keane will fit in.

He&#039;ll slot into where Gerrard played last season and Stevie G will play his atacking (with some box to box) midfield role he loves so much. Now we&#039;ll have huge attacking options. Keane is a very team oriented player. He&#039;ll slot in when Stevie wonders into no-mans - or hopefully goal scoring - land. He&#039;ll link up with Torres when required. He can also play on the right hand side. The options he provides is significant - plus he can score goals and goals out of nothing too.

The issue now is Barry. I really can see why Rafa wants want&#039;s him. He would make our left-side better balanced. He links well with Stevie G and he scores goals - unlike Xabi. But, and this is where I have a problem, I can&#039;t see him improving us enough for me to want rid of Xabi at the prices that are being quoted - i.e. with our club having to pay more for Barry than we&#039;d get in for Xabi. 

@ Yossa&#039;s point about the youngster&#039;s, particularly in central midfield means we&#039;re well-resourced there. Now if Rafa made the point that we were to allow Xabi to go to fund a winger of real quality, then I might be tempted. But it&#039;s not the point that&#039;s being made........

@ anyone - could someone point to the difference our owners are making to the club during this transfer window? Rafa - through the league and CL and sale of players - seems to have made all the money himself. What are they contributing? My question is only a slight dig at them - as I really want to know if I&#039;ve missed what their contribution has been or is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bassam</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be concerned about where Keane will fit in.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll slot into where Gerrard played last season and Stevie G will play his atacking (with some box to box) midfield role he loves so much. Now we&#8217;ll have huge attacking options. Keane is a very team oriented player. He&#8217;ll slot in when Stevie wonders into no-mans &#8211; or hopefully goal scoring &#8211; land. He&#8217;ll link up with Torres when required. He can also play on the right hand side. The options he provides is significant &#8211; plus he can score goals and goals out of nothing too.</p>
<p>The issue now is Barry. I really can see why Rafa wants want&#8217;s him. He would make our left-side better balanced. He links well with Stevie G and he scores goals &#8211; unlike Xabi. But, and this is where I have a problem, I can&#8217;t see him improving us enough for me to want rid of Xabi at the prices that are being quoted &#8211; i.e. with our club having to pay more for Barry than we&#8217;d get in for Xabi. </p>
<p>@ Yossa&#8217;s point about the youngster&#8217;s, particularly in central midfield means we&#8217;re well-resourced there. Now if Rafa made the point that we were to allow Xabi to go to fund a winger of real quality, then I might be tempted. But it&#8217;s not the point that&#8217;s being made&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>@ anyone &#8211; could someone point to the difference our owners are making to the club during this transfer window? Rafa &#8211; through the league and CL and sale of players &#8211; seems to have made all the money himself. What are they contributing? My question is only a slight dig at them &#8211; as I really want to know if I&#8217;ve missed what their contribution has been or is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Devon Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For fear of starting an argument - Backbone of

                                         Reina

                         Carra             Agger or Skrtel

                                         Masch
                                         Stevie

                             Torres               Keane

All would die for the cause.  Fit the rest around them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For fear of starting an argument &#8211; Backbone of</p>
<p>                                         Reina</p>
<p>                         Carra             Agger or Skrtel</p>
<p>                                         Masch<br />
                                         Stevie</p>
<p>                             Torres               Keane</p>
<p>All would die for the cause.  Fit the rest around them</p>
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		<title>By: Bassam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bassam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not interested in the Barry deal as I was before, I&#039;ll keep Alonso anyday. Yes, Barry is good, but we have Masch, Lucas, Gerrard and even Plessis, all without bringing Alonso&#039;s name in!

Keane&#039;s deal has been the highlight for us so far, as most of the players we have bought are unknown boys to the EPL, my only concern is where will he fit in, that&#039;s all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not interested in the Barry deal as I was before, I&#8217;ll keep Alonso anyday. Yes, Barry is good, but we have Masch, Lucas, Gerrard and even Plessis, all without bringing Alonso&#8217;s name in!</p>
<p>Keane&#8217;s deal has been the highlight for us so far, as most of the players we have bought are unknown boys to the EPL, my only concern is where will he fit in, that&#8217;s all!</p>
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		<title>By: Yossa Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yossa Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Midland you have it right Rafa has been concentrating on the future with the transfers he has made this summer. 

We have three or four young players that are on the verge of at least being on the bench with the new substitute rules, who knows if Rafa does not farm them all out on loan we could see some of them in the near future.

I do think that Rafa will wait to see who else we can trade away before going for Barry, if Arsenal don&#039;t grab him first which would not be a bad thing to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midland you have it right Rafa has been concentrating on the future with the transfers he has made this summer. </p>
<p>We have three or four young players that are on the verge of at least being on the bench with the new substitute rules, who knows if Rafa does not farm them all out on loan we could see some of them in the near future.</p>
<p>I do think that Rafa will wait to see who else we can trade away before going for Barry, if Arsenal don&#8217;t grab him first which would not be a bad thing to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: midlands-red</title>
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		<dc:creator>midlands-red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ n/a

Correction accepted.......on this occasion :-)

Crouchie for Berbatov. Now that&#039;s an interesting thought. You&#039;re not suggesting that United could get the better of any transfer deals out of Spurs? If you are, is this another year where we&#039;ll be at best 2nd?

PS - Did you see Wenger&#039;s quotes the other day about paying for the Emirates and Arsenal being a selling club. Is this where we&#039;re at now, hence all these young guys we&#039;re buying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ n/a</p>
<p>Correction accepted&#8230;&#8230;.on this occasion <img src='http://www.anfieldroad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Crouchie for Berbatov. Now that&#8217;s an interesting thought. You&#8217;re not suggesting that United could get the better of any transfer deals out of Spurs? If you are, is this another year where we&#8217;ll be at best 2nd?</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Did you see Wenger&#8217;s quotes the other day about paying for the Emirates and Arsenal being a selling club. Is this where we&#8217;re at now, hence all these young guys we&#8217;re buying?</p>
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		<title>By: n/a</title>
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		<dc:creator>n/a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@midlands-red

One small correction: Berbatov is not older than Keane - he is half a year younger. In fact he was born on the same day as Crouchie; too bad we didn&#039;t swap those two :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@midlands-red</p>
<p>One small correction: Berbatov is not older than Keane &#8211; he is half a year younger. In fact he was born on the same day as Crouchie; too bad we didn&#8217;t swap those two <img src='http://www.anfieldroad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: midlands-red</title>
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		<dc:creator>midlands-red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kopite999

I agree about the price but that&#039;s the market for players who have proven EPL and international experience, leaders on the pitch, versatile players and overall good players. The other benefit of course is that they have the experience to help our young guns to come on and also, if Lampard&#039;s about to get a whopping 5 year deal at 150,000 a week and Berbatov to Man Utd for around £25k, both older than Keane and Barry, then we&#039;re only paying the going rate to keep up amongst the top 4!

Where I do I agree with you is on forgetting our interest in Barry, if it means Alonso being forced to leave. Barry is definitely a top quality player and we certainly need help on the left. But Alonso&#039;s not worth less than Barry - he&#039;s worth more. So the maths do not add-up.

I&#039;m sure Rafa knows what he&#039;s doing though so in him I trust!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kopite999</p>
<p>I agree about the price but that&#8217;s the market for players who have proven EPL and international experience, leaders on the pitch, versatile players and overall good players. The other benefit of course is that they have the experience to help our young guns to come on and also, if Lampard&#8217;s about to get a whopping 5 year deal at 150,000 a week and Berbatov to Man Utd for around £25k, both older than Keane and Barry, then we&#8217;re only paying the going rate to keep up amongst the top 4!</p>
<p>Where I do I agree with you is on forgetting our interest in Barry, if it means Alonso being forced to leave. Barry is definitely a top quality player and we certainly need help on the left. But Alonso&#8217;s not worth less than Barry &#8211; he&#8217;s worth more. So the maths do not add-up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Rafa knows what he&#8217;s doing though so in him I trust!</p>
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